Tarot Interviews
Tarot Interviews is the first podcast in the world to interview creatives using tarot cards. Every week, Fin sits down with creative minds from across the world to share their journeys and insights. Whether you're listening to a poet share a painful reflection about The Tower, an actor reveal a secret with the Seven of Swords, or a novelist discuss their art of storytelling through The Magician, each episode brings a one-of-a-kind conversation you will not find anywhere else. Three cards. Three questions. Three stories.
Tarot Interviews
Queer Magic: Tarot and Transformation with Cassandra Snow
Cassandra Snow is an author of Tarot & Occult books, full-time Tarot reader and creative witch about town. Their latest book project is Tarot In Other Words. This book is an essay anthology on queer tarot topics that Snow curated, edited and contributed to.
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- Host and producer: Finbarre Snarey
- Theme music composer: Amelia Lawn
- Additional music: Nicola Snarey
- Cover art: Rein G
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Tarot Interviews. Welcome back to Tarot Interviews. Today, we're thrilled to introduce Cassandra Snow, a celebrated tarot reader, author and educator, whose work shines a light on the intersections of spirituality, identity and healing the intersections of spirituality, identity and healing. Cassandra is the editor of the book Tarot in Other Words, an author of Queering the Tarot, where they skillfully blend tarot and witchcraft with a focus on LGBTQ plus inclusivity, mental health and personal empowerment. They also teach tarot and facilitate workshops helping people to connect with their intuition and explore their personal journeys. So join us as we explore the stories, insights and inspirations behind Cassandra's powerful work.
Finbarre Snarey:Cassandra how are you doing?
Cassandra Snow:I am doing quite well. Thank you so much. How are you doing?
Finbarre Snarey:I have a house of plague. My wife has been stricken. I unfortunately have a bit of lurgy, but hopefully you won't be able to hear it too badly. My wife is going to fly all the way to Barcelona see a friend. They've not seen each other for such a long time. They're going to celebrate. I think it's the 15th year that they first met and sadly it's all been cut short. So, yes, I've been keeping the house ship shape and Bristol fashion and playing with the kids. We're playing split fiction at the moment, but, yeah, it's rather dull. So you have brightened up my day, right? Well, I have in my hand a tarot deck which will need no introduction. What I'm going to do is I'm going to shuffle this while you can see, and then I want you to kind of reach out from sorry, whereabouts are you?
Cassandra Snow:I am from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Finbarre Snarey:Minneapolis, so all the way from Minneapolis to the UK. I want you to reach out and then, when you feel that the right card is there, we'll split the deck and then we'll keep going until we've got the card that you want.
Cassandra Snow:Okay.
Finbarre Snarey:Interesting.
Cassandra Snow:Okay.
Finbarre Snarey:So we're starting off with a Major Arcana with the Hermit. Yeah, what are your experiences with this card, the Hermit? What are your experiences with this card?
Cassandra Snow:I love the Hermit, so my queer platonic partner is a Virgo and a lot of astrological association with that and the Hermit is always is what comes through for me. I'm not always so strict about astrological correspondences with the tarot and a lot of times when clients are like how did you get that? The answer is like intuition or vibes. But because I'm so close with this person, a lot of Virgo stuff really comes through with the hermit, specifically the focus on. I think when we think of the hermit we sometimes call to mind almost like a messy guy living in the middle of the woods. But my experience with the astro correspondence is instead like a focus on home and they know where everything is and like they create, almost like when we were chatting before we were recording about the empress creating the lush garden and everything around them.
Cassandra Snow:The Hermit is similar to that, but with their home, and it really is about not wanting to leave this gorgeous space they've created, but being so open to people coming to them for wisdom or a cup of tea or whatever it ends up being. And so those are my initial things when it comes up, I think, if people are asking for advice, alternatively I go very modern, like time to unplug, time to get off the internet a little bit, time to really go back into what's true for you, but for me, with the Hermit, I read about how we think that they just mean the Hermit, but in a lot of decks and when you look at the imagery, it does look like the Hermit is returning to society after taking time to like go back to his inner voice and stay there, and so I've been thinking a lot, especially in the um, everything that we're in right now in the world what would you say that I don't know.
Finbarre Snarey:Recent events have been unusual in any way you know, I wish they were more unusual.
Cassandra Snow:At this point I'm feeling jaded and I think one great thing about the internet but it's why they're trying to shut it down is you're learning how awful everything has always been, and we maybe just have more knowledge now. But one thing I think about with the hermit is okay, I'm actually very good at being boundary, taking time for myself in spite of everything I have going on, and so this is when I am like okay, it's time to leave my house and bring something I've learned out into the world, and so that's a lot of what has been coming up for me and my clients for the Hermit lately.
Finbarre Snarey:My first impressions upon seeing that hermit card were casting my mind back to 2008. And I was on the Isle of Skye enjoying my honeymoon because, in order to save up for a house, we decided to dispense with spending any money on our wedding at all. All the honeymoon, we camped on a remote Scottish island wild camp for two weeks. I loved it, and one of the guys that I met just randomly in the supermarket was, you know, getting some groceries. There was a chap called Tom Leopard who unfortunately has now passed away. He was a gentleman who was who'd modified his body so he looked like a leopard. He had leopard spots all over him, he had he used to wear contact lenses, he had little claws and I loved it.
Finbarre Snarey:I was just buying bread and I looked up and there's oh there's Tom Leopard, the Scottish Hermit, and it was a wonderful experience. I've also had the pleasure of reading cards for people in a city called Manchester in the UK and when I left one particular bar, I dropped the Hermit card, unfortunately, and it fell into a vent. And I know this because when I came back three years later I was at the same table and went oh, this is my card, and it had just been hanging out by itself all that time waiting for me to come back that is wild.
Finbarre Snarey:I love that so, yes, I I do have um very fond memories of the hermit. Now my question, based off this, is what insights have you gained from self-reflection about being a spiritual guide?
Cassandra Snow:I. So I had a pretty rough upbringing and I think that when I think of that sort of line of questioning, I think a lot about how it's actually taken me a long time to come to terms with people seeing me that way. Like I was far more interested in being like almost the opposite of a lot of professional tarot readers, right, like I was very excited when people came in just for fun and then to wow them with some accurate insight, but then they would keep coming back and asking deeper and deeper questions and I think, just because of my own self-esteem, it took me a while to be like no, it's okay that you're a spiritual guide, and so I think a lot about the growth and the inner work that it takes for a lot of people to be okay with that. I think some people go into this work wanting that and some people go into it. You know, in a lot of ways it was just a survival mechanism for me.
Cassandra Snow:And then it was survival work when I started getting too sick to stay in arts, admin and stuff and then so for me to come to terms with being this like guide or leader for other people, yeah, I think about the journey that it took to just be okay with myself and be comfortable with it, and then, at the same time, I was so free spirited at that time that I didn't really want that responsibility of like the words I said really had impact. And so I think, almost like the silly Spider-Man quote of like with great power comes great responsibility, and so just being very careful that I'm trusting my own intuition as well as my relationship with the cards and the client, whereas I was maybe a little more uncorked when I started, I actually take time to think it through now. So, yeah, to answer the question, I think so much of what I think about is just the journey it took to get there and to be comfortable, feeling like, okay, I know what I do, I know what I'm doing and it's cool if people see me that way.
Finbarre Snarey:Okay, what time do you take, if you do, to go through that self-reflection, to sit and think back over previous experiences and relearn some of the things that you did in the moment and how they may have affected other people?
Cassandra Snow:I actually have a lot of mechanisms for this. For some reason, mechanism's the word that I keep thinking of today. But I am a journaler. I will say I have a seven-week-old in my journaling practice since she's come around has been. It leaves much to be desired, but previously I was a really good journaler, but I still. One thing I've still done is keeping my morning habits of doing a little bit of spell work, just sitting and reflecting, pulling a card for myself. Sometimes for fun I'll pull one for baby too, just to see what kind of day we're going to have. Yeah, and so I think I have that. I also am in therapy.
Cassandra Snow:I also don't think that processing always has to be internal. A lot of times people really want to put us into boxes like introvert, extrovert, and introvert means this and whatever. I am deeply introvertedverted but I'm actually an external process, which is why therapy and journaling are so good for me. But it also is like I reflect by me and my girlfriend or me and my queer platonic partner having really deep, meaningful conversations. I reflect by being in community with other tarot card readers and other writers who are writing on similar topics and having those conversations, and so it kind of runs the gamut, and I think it's a more is best situation.
Cassandra Snow:I also don't think one thing always works. Now, admittedly, I am saying this as someone with significant you know diagnosed ADHD, but I can't just process the same way all the time. Not only do I get kind of bored and want to jump out of my skin, but I also, just like you, start meeting resistance. I think if you're only going about things one way, you kind of need to break cycles to get fresh perspective. So I actually like having a number of tools for that fantastic right.
Finbarre Snarey:We've learned an awful lot from the hermit, and that's only the first cut. We start with the major arcana, where we're going to go. So back to the deck and, as before, tell me when to stop. It is two cards. Do you want the top one or the bottom one?
Cassandra Snow:Let's do both, but let's start with the top one.
Finbarre Snarey:We're doing both. Yeah, my goodness Right. So they're coming. Who knows what we're inviting in here. Okay, right. So which one did you want first?
Cassandra Snow:The top.
Finbarre Snarey:Okay, can you see both. Want first the top. Okay, can you see both of those?
Cassandra Snow:I can.
Finbarre Snarey:The Fool and the Three of Wands. That's the first time I've had a pair just spring unbidden from the deck.
Cassandra Snow:Yeah, fun.
Finbarre Snarey:So again, we are looking at the Fool and the Three of Wands. Okay, as a professional tarot reader, how would you interpret that one? As a professional tarot reader, how would you interpret that one?
Cassandra Snow:So what comes up for me is absolutely my journey to the Midwest of the US. In the first place. I was born in Baltimore, maryland. I was primarily raised in Spartanburg, south Carolina, and then I went to college in North Carolina and then I wanted something so different and for a lot of reasons there was the pain that I sort of alluded to earlier, but there was also. I just wanted something different. I wanted to see what else was out there. I started applying everywhere and I ended up at a wonderful, adorable little small school in Iowa that was still Christian, but it was ECLA Lutheran, which is a much more progressive denomination.
Cassandra Snow:And yeah, with the three of wands I often think of travel
Cassandra Snow:I often think of new adventures and those aren't my only associations with them, but especially when they're coming up together, to me this is like, oh, this is me packing all of me and my queer platonic partner stuff into what would fit in their Honda and driving halfway across the country to finish school and really reinvent ourselves in a lot of ways.
Cassandra Snow:And then, with the Three of Wands, I always think about what builds in the pips and it's like we built to this really beautiful life that we have and that we're both so invested in. But I think if it hadn't been that initial full energy and those Three of Wands yearnings full energy in those three of wands, like yearnings. So I think if I was reading for a client, I would call on that story first to talk about how the full kind of urges us to seek new things, but how the three of wands can show us what the more that we're sort of longing for or yearning for is, and so using those together, guiding someone to figure out what journey they're wanting to go on right now, whether it was as literal as mine or like a spiritual journey or whatever.
Finbarre Snarey:So if I was to lean over and just place my ear to those cards and see what they're whispering, I think the question would be something like how did embracing your queerness influence the early stages of your spiritual and tarot journey?
Cassandra Snow:Your queerness influenced the early stages of your spiritual and tarot journey. Yeah, that is a really good question and I think I have to go back even further till when I was a very devout Christian and I was constantly looking for salvation of like being who I am is okay, who I am is okay, and, of course, in those denominations, I was not getting that and I was not getting that and I started questioning. When I was at my first college, Again, I was having a lot of intellectual things like wait, this part doesn't make sense with this part, and just, and I didn't understand why so many of the supposedly devout people I knew were kind of horrible people and because that wasn't actually my case growing up, I was lucky, surrounded by very, very good people. But because that wasn't actually my case growing up, I was lucky, surrounded by very, very good people. But so there was that piece and so I started what a lot of times is called deconstructing. But then at the same time, when I was working with Tarot, there was so much about truth and there was so much about self-love and forgiveness and compassion and it called me out on a lot of stuff like my whole life, even though I had been in this very devout thing.
Cassandra Snow:I'd always been really accepting. I was like, for a long time I was the ally who just thought other queer people were really neat and I needed to be like the best ally, um, and I think that sometimes that ally is legit and and I know a few who are very great but so often it's because, like you know deep down that that's you also. And so, yeah, it was actually through tarot that I started really accepting my queerness and then it was also through tarot and I would say these are parallel stories that just eventually ran together I started getting really into really a childhood fascination with, like, myth and folklore and stuff like that. And I started, you know, through tarot community in Asheville, north Carolina, which was the closest big city I had access to. I was learning a lot about Wicca, about paganism, about chaos, witchery, like all of these cool things, and so my journey with queerness, tarot and paganism honestly all ran in like three parallel lines and then just like, at a point just collided, almost like the Big Bang Theory or something like, and it, I think, collided in a way that really got to the crux of like oh, this is always who I was and was supposed to be, got to the crux of like, oh, this is always who I was and was supposed to be.
Cassandra Snow:And I think the biggest transition for me in my spiritual journey was I grew up really wanting forgiveness and salvation, or like evidence that who I was was okay. And what I found as I started exploring tarot and paganism and witchery was that it was not only okay, but there were places in the world that it was really celebrated and it was a really joyful thing to be, and that it didn't have to be this thing I was always ashamed of. It could be this thing that was really cool and really fun, and you know some of the greatest people in the world in this community, and so I think I don't have a good ending to that ramble, but that's, I think, where I ended up.
Finbarre Snarey:Fantastic. Just so I've got an idea of what the kind of prevailing culture was like and what you would have been up against. So when you're in that church community, approximately when are we talking? Are we talking 90s?
Cassandra Snow:Approximately when are we talking? Are we talking 90s, before I'm 40? So I was born in 85, so it would have been by the time I think I like knew anything that was going on. It would have been 90s, early 2000s and, I think, early in a lot of deconstructing conversations. A lot of people who are like ex-evangelicals from the early 2000s are like, yes, deconstructing is always hard and coming from an evangelical faith or almost cult like system is really difficult. There was just something about that late 90s to early 2000s where they were just engulfing so many people and it's like a very specific deconstruction and not that it was like special or harder or different.
Cassandra Snow:But I think being a child of the 90s, early 2000s and this is also offset to like this was my church raising but I actually had really liberal, progressive parents and when I came out to my dad I specifically remember he jokes about it now but his initial reaction was like that's fine, when are you going to finish college? In a lot of cases, and then two people in your life who are so supportive about LGBTQ plus things. But those relationships have been very, very strained over other things throughout the years. My dad and I are in a very good place now, but things were so difficult, with my mom especially a lot, and it's like so confusing because, like the progressive values are coming from this place that is hurting you and the really awful values are coming from the place that is like your escape and your safe place, and I think there's a way that those types of churches kind of prey on youth and young adults. Coming from that situation, that is particularly insidious. And so that, yeah, it was a lot of things and it was a lot of different things. And then I was very involved in my church, which means I ended up being further parentified by those adults because I was being told all of the church gossip, I was being asked to pick sides in fights, and I was 17, and these were people in retirement in a lot of cases, and so there was all of that going on. And then when I went to college, the situation was actually worse.
Cassandra Snow:We tried to start what would now be called and now is they have one now, thankfully, and it's called a queer student Union, but at the time it was GSA. We tried to start one and the school shut it down so hard, and I mean even saying and this was a Baptist school and even saying things like if you weren't an official club on campus you couldn't meet. And so we went about things to try to become an official club on campus, and they got so upset that they said no more new clubs on campus at all. We are at max for clubs on campus. No one can start a new club now.
Cassandra Snow:And it was specifically because we were trying to make the GSA official and I was falling in love with a woman for the first time to the background of that, and so it was like this thing that made me feel better than anything ever had. And then all of this awful stuff going on in the background of that, and so it was like this thing that made me feel better than anything ever had. And then all of this awful stuff going on in the background, and then a lot of it too was my own trauma, unrelated things that happened other than just being the culture and misogyny of the era and space. It was just all. It was a lot and it was very confusing, and there was a lot going on inside as well as externally, but I think culturally in that area there was just a very big push.
Cassandra Snow:Church is so ingrained in the culture At school you don't ask what is your faith or do you go to church? You ask where do you go to church? It is just assumed that you go to a Christian church and they just want to know which one. And if you go to the wrong one, you're still at risk for being told you're going to hell. And so that is a lot of what I was coming of age, coming to terms with who I was. That was a lot of what was going on.
Finbarre Snarey:Yeah, culturally that is very different. I mean, I was raised in a heathen household. My parents are old hippies. I've never had people come up to make that assumption that I go to church. I can't imagine what that would be like. I would have a few words to say Don't get me wrong, I do like a good service and I like spending time with family members in a church environment, providing it's brief. But to have that thrust upon you, I can't imagine what that'd be like.
Cassandra Snow:It's very compulsory and it's very, you know, I was happy in my church, so I didn't have a lot of hangups about that piece at the time.
Cassandra Snow:But it was, I will say, moving to the Midwest, which still and I was in a very rural area in Iowa and there was a very strong Christian culture still, but it was not assumed that you go to church, even though it was a Christian school even that I was at.
Cassandra Snow:And not only that, but I think one thing that was so jarring to me was I'd been there a few months and all of a sudden I realized and this is going to sound nuts to people who haven't lived in a Bible Belt-ish area but I realized it had been months since someone like walked up to me in a restaurant to preach at me or ask if I had found Jesus.
Cassandra Snow:And I was so used to it happening on like a monthly or even like weekly or biweekly basis that it wasn't until I and it was like, why do I feel much safer going out in public here? And then I was like oh, it's because not once in Iowa has someone just walked, unless they were like a school peer who I knew was like not my kind of person and was super conservative and was trying to save me or whatever. But like never in Iowa was I out in public when someone walked up to me and did that and I had just been so used to it before and at the same time it had driven me to almost an agoraphobia about going out and I just didn't even realize it.
Finbarre Snarey:Yeah, I've never had an experience like that. I mean, when I've seen street preachers here in the UK who will point people out and say that they're condemned to a fiery pit, I've always wondered. I'm sure it says somewhere in the Bible, I don't know it intimately, but I'm sure it says blessed are the meek, and these people don't tend to listen to that part.
Cassandra Snow:They don't. And there is very specific I was very about, and I have read the bible multiple times all the way through and there are specific verses that just get so ignored, and one of them literally says not to preach on street corners I'll need to look that one up.
Cassandra Snow:In fact, I need to look that up, write it down on a little cue card and then produce it and like it has some caveats around it and I'm sure that they're like no, you're only not supposed to preach on street corners if you're not sure of your own goodness or whatever, but like also according to the theory of original sin, like none of us can be sure anyways, so you should not be preaching from a street corner right.
Finbarre Snarey:We'd normally do three cards. That's the, that's the second and a bit card, so we're down to the last one. Are you ready? Oof five of cups yeah all right. How are we feeling about this one?
Cassandra Snow:I'm fine I heard the noise, but when you saw it, okay first impressions first impressions are you know the five of cups for me and, to be clear, I am a double Pisces with a cancer rising.
Finbarre Snarey:Pisces here as well.
Cassandra Snow:Yeah, I am also a Mars and Venus and Aries, which means I fall in and out of love very quickly. Sometimes I was rejoicing that my girlfriend and I have made it a year and like I love her and I do not feel myself feeling that Aries, mars, whatever it's going to take All of that to say, just like how some songs, when you are that emotional of a person, can bring up not just one but every pain or heartache you've ever gone through. That's sort of what I see with the Five of Cups sometimes. But platonic relationships, friendships, are so, so important to to me. Given the way I grew, grew up and given that I grew up in church, I would say one good thing it instilled in me was that drive towards community and towards found family as well. And so when I see the five of cups, I see for me the very uncomfortable truth, because it's not all bad. In the five of cups I also, in addition to heartache, I think of words like release and just letting go. So I also think of like a very good cry, but then you're fine afterwards, and things like to me that's also five of cups. And sometimes I will tell a client like, oh, this might not be working out. Or I might tell them, depending on other cards and intuition, like you just need a good cry, babe, and they are going to be totally fine. So those are all things that come up with the Five of Cups.
Cassandra Snow:But in going through that I think a lot about how some of the hardest breakups I've been through have been platonic or friend breakups. I still, in true lesbian fashion, I still am good friends with most of my exes. It is when the friendship doesn't work out, or any friendship doesn't work out, that I kind of fall to pieces. But in the Five of Cups there's specifically a piece about how in most guidebooks about like, but look at the cups that are still standing, look at what hasn't been lost. And I think that's even more true with friendship. Like, yes, you might have feel you might feel abandoned by one or two people, but if you were to turn around and see the cup still standing, there's, like the rest of this community and close friendship that you've built that is still completely there for you. So for me it is about being in the moment and gratitude, while also still giving into your emotions.
Finbarre Snarey:Right. So, based on what you've told me, the question I'm going to ask you is and please let me know if this is touching on anything that is uncomfortable, and then we can pull another card, perhaps, but the Five of Cups. How does your relationship with tarot and your spirituality help you process loss or grief?
Cassandra Snow:I actually love this question. Some of the goddesses and I would say gods too that I work with are darker side. I'm no stranger. I don't really believe in binaries or titles or anything, so I would definitely not say I'm a left-hand path witch, but I'm also no stranger to those workings.
Cassandra Snow:For me, what comes up spiritually with this card is a lot of like all of the times. Those so-called like darker deities like really held my hand through what I was going through and really made space and made me make a safe space to have those feelings and emotions. And I almost feel, too like I work with the Gorgons quite a bit and I almost feel like, oh well, I could interpret this as like we're at the river Styx, you know, and like. So I think there's a lot there and it's a lot of. I don't feel like I have anything like one cogent, giant thing to say, but I think those are the associations that come up with me for that and I think the way that when you are in right relationship with faith and spirituality of any kind, what it should do is make you a better person.
Cassandra Snow:But that also means it should make you a person who is emotionally mature and that means leaning into the bad emotions sometimes too, and letting them run their course, and so I think it's reminding me that, like, if I don't stop to cry now, if I deny this message that that's what I need to do right now, it's going to come up at the worst possible moment or worse, it's going to do what it did to me in youth and end up cutting me off from my own inner voice and cutting me off from myself. And so, to be the best version of myself to bring to community, to the world, to my friends, to my clients, I actually do have to take time for my own emotions, and so I think in that way, to me it almost becomes like a more positively aspected card if you take that advice and if you feel good in your spirituality it sounds like you're meeting those situations on your own terms yeah, yes, and that is so key.
Cassandra Snow:I'm also a little rebellious by nature and so and it's one or the other, I run black or white, like I'm either all in 100 or I like. Nothing this person has said has ever made sense and I've gotten better at bridging that gap, but I still lean quite rebellious. So I think the on my own terms is so, so important.
Finbarre Snarey:Excellent. Well, thank you so much for that incredibly thorough answer, and you did mention the Gorgons. Am I right in thinking this is medusa and her other sisters? Is that?
Cassandra Snow:Correct. Yes, and they have one brother.
Cassandra Snow:He does not have snake hair and arguably no one but Medusa does. Anyway, it depends on what mythos you're reading. But, um, yeah, I work with a lot of those uh, ancient greek underworld deities, including Gorgons. Hecate is one of my primary, I think, in spite of being very rebellious by nature and I definitely went through like an American hipster phase where I didn't want to work with anyone that was already too popular or whatever. Hecate was also one of my first pathwalking experiences in a pagan setting. That has just really stuck with me and she's been one of my primary deities since then, and so in my work with Hecate, I also end up working quite a bit with the Gorgons, as well as other creatures, deities, spirits that would be hanging out down there.
Finbarre Snarey:And I imagine that the modern age is a very good time to be releasing the Furies.
Cassandra Snow:I actually had not thought about that until you said it, and now I'm like oh wow.
Finbarre Snarey:No, what have I done? Get ready? No, I'm just kidding. I mean, maybe when you've put the baby down and you know you've got 10 spare minutes, which probably won't happen for a little while, unfortunately.
Cassandra Snow:Well, I will say my queer platonic partner is still on parental leave, so like I have a week where I'll still have some free time, my parental leave is over. I work for myself and I make a little bit more, but also I'm very. I just love my clients. I have writing deadlines. Like it just was not avoidable so but while they're off work, I still feel like I have plenty of time for myself, as well as baby and work.
Finbarre Snarey:Excellent. Well, Cassandra Snow, this has been an absolute pleasure talking to you. Now I can smell the scent of my dinner being prepared from downstairs. It's got my stomach rumbling so I'll need to dash, but thank you so much for spending your time with us today.
Cassandra Snow:Thank you for having me. This was great.
Finbarre Snarey:That's a wrap on our conversation with Cassandra Snow. We hope you enjoyed exploring this conversation on tarot and spirituality, and don't forget to take a look at Tarot in Other Words at all good bookshops. Please follow us where you get your podcasts and take a glance at our show notes to see links to Cassandra's other fabulous work. Thanks for joining us and until next time, keep exploring the stories that inspire you.
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